To Tithe or not to Tithe… that is the question
Well, things have been crazy for the past couple weeks and things will continue to be so for the next couple weeks. So I figured I might as well make this post count and what is a more sensitive subject in Church today than tithing. A lot of this is courtesy of a friend who I had the pleasure of hearing a presentation he made several weeks back.
If Jesus says something, do you think it matters? (It is a rhetorical question, and I hope you didn’t say no!) If Jesus says something a lot, do you think it really matters? For a little perspective on money in general, in the New Testament, there are 215 verses pertaining to faith, 218 verses pertaining to salvation, and 2,084 verses dealing with the stewardship of and accountability for money and finance. Sixteen of Jesus’ thirty-eight parables deal with money. (“Wealth Riches and Money” And tithing specifically is the second most talked about concept in the Bible after love. Let me repeat that, after love, the second most discussed thing is tithing. Of all the things that number two could have been, repentance, sin, forgiveness, marriage, etc, the Bible, the Inspired Word of God, choose to talk about tithing. Maybe we need to listen.
Now I might have a little more credence because I’m not a Church giving this message. In other words, many people in the pews on Sundays simply tune out any message that has to do with tithing. They simply write it off as a Church being greedy. That is why you don’t hear that message in Church. People don’t want to. Money makes them feel uncomfortable. It makes them feel guilty. It literally makes people leave the Church. And sadly, that often dictates that it isn’t preached about. Or if it is, the preacher will so water it down to try not to offend that it really isn’t scriptural. But, since I clearly have no vested interest in taking your money (there are no paypal links for you to donate to me in this post), let’s just examine what the Bible says. Clearly, that has more authority than my opinion anyway.
Old Testament:
“Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.” – Deuteronomy 14:22
” ‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD…. The entire tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the LORD.” – Leviticus 27:30-32
New Testament:
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.
In the Old Testament, the tithe was an offering of the first and best of one’s income to the Lord as an expression of thanks and dedication. And in the New Testament, basic tithing was the bare minimum. And the Bible endorses going beyond the bare minimum.
6Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work….11You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God. 12This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of God’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God. 13Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.” – 2 Corinthians 9:6-8, 11-13
Excess money is given to us so we can show where our treasure is by giving it away. And if you tithe, God will provide.
“10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.” – Malachi 3:10
In other words, if you think you can’t afford to tithe, test God. He’ll prove Himself. You can’t afford not too.
Just a few more verses:
“5Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, ‘Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.’” – Hebrews 13:5
10And here is my advice about what is best for you in this matter: Last year you were the first not only to give but also to have the desire to do so. 11Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means. 12For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have. 13Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality, 15as it is written: “He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little.”[a]” – 2 Corinthians 8:10-15
“1As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. 2He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins.[a] 3″I tell you the truth,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.” – Luke 21:1-4
“9 Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the first fruits of all your crops;” – Proverbs 3:9
Or if you are a numbers person, look at it this way. According to the Barna Group, “In 2004 only 7% gave 10% of their income or what we call the biblical tithe. The average donation to churches in 2004 was $895″ For a little perspective on that amount, look at what the average American does spend their money on.
Last year we spent $1,674 a year on fast food or food away from home. Recent figures also indicate we spend $165 per year on coffee and $10 billion a year in total on cokes and movies. The average annual expenditure for housing is over $12,000, for clothes and services $1,743, and transportation runs each of us about $7,011. Healthcare adds up to $1,959 for the average American. Entertainment costs $1,891; personal insurance and pensions are about $3,436.
Think about that. The Church is the Bride of Christ. And we are saying that our fun is more than twice as important as her needs. So why is giving so low? According to the Barna Group, these are the reasons.
Related studies by The Barna Group offer additional insights into why Americans do not give more money to churches. “There are five significant barriers to more generous giving,” according to the study’s director, George Barna. “Some people lack the motivation to give away their hard-earned money because the church has failed to provide a compelling vision for how the money will make a difference in the world. These are donors who can find other uses for their money and are not excited about simply handing money over to a church. The second group,” he continued, “are those who see their giving as leverage on the future. They withhold money from the church because they do not see a sufficient return on their investment. The third segment is comprised of people who do not realize the church needs their money to be effective. Their church has done an inadequate job of asking for money, so people remain oblivious to the church’s expectations and potential. The fourth group is composed of those who are ignorant of what the Bible teaches about our responsibility to apply God’s resources in ways that affect lives. The final category contains those who are just selfish. They figure they worked hard for their money and it’s theirs to use as they please. Their priorities revolve around their personal needs and desires.”
Sure, the New Testament doesn’t give a percent like the Old Testament. But if you think about the New Testament, it doesn’t do away with the Old Testament laws, rather, it generally adds on them. Rather than “Don’t murder,” it becomes “Don’t hate.” Rather than “Don’t commit adultery,” it becomes, “Don’t lust.” We don’t live under the law, praise God, but under Grace, we probably ought to give more, not because we have to, but because we want to. According to the International Journal of Not-For-Profit Law, “If the affluent contributed as much to nonprofits as the authors believe they can, charitable giving in the United States would increase by $100 billion a year – enough to solve many of the world’s most pressing problems.”
Think of what could be done with that money. According to the Borgen Project, “annual expenditures of $19 billion between now and 2015 could eliminate global starvation and malnutrition. Another $12 billion per year over that same period could educate every child on earth. And an additional $15 billion each year could provide universal access to clean water and sanitation.” And that is less than half of the $100 billion.
To close, read just a few examples of people who did decide to tithe, and how the Lord blessed them for it.
Choosing to Give the Rest to the Lord: My Journey of Faith
By Scott Lewis
Scott Lewis is president and CEO of Scott Machinery in Rancho Cordova, Calif. He delivered this testimony at the annual Generous Giving Conference in Atlanta, Ga., January 14-15, 1999.
In 1984, I met my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and at that point my life did a complete 180, and I began to walk in the joy and the fullness of a relationship with God. I immediately got involved in whatever the church was doing. In other words, when I came to Christ, I hit the ground running and was immediately zealous for God.
In 1991, I was at a wedding with my wife, and on the way out of this wedding there was a man behind me talking about Russia, about a lot of people coming to know the Lord, and about something called the Jesus Film. I was interested, and so I asked him about it, and he said, “In a few weeks we are going down to Mexico to show the film out in the streets. Would you like to come along?” That sounded like fun to me, so I said, “Sure, I would like to come be a part of that.” What I saw in Mexico had a phenomenal impact on my life. Through the weekend, I met Paul Eshleman, the director of the Jesus Film Project, and Dave Hannah, the head of History’s Handful, and these gentlemen were sharing some things that had an impact on me.
I had never heard before that 80 percent of the world’s Christian wealth was in America and that 96 percent of what we put in the plate was spent on America while America only made up roughly 5 or 6 percent of the world’s population. I immediately was troubled when I heard that, knowing that the Scripture said, “From the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked” (Luke 12:48b).
We went out and showed the Jesus Film in Mexico on a dirt lot with a generator to run the projector. Over 400 people came and sat in the rain to watch this film in the Spanish language. When it was over, 186 of them filled out on a card to make a decision to follow Jesus Christ. Those were given to the local pastor to follow up on. I thought, “Wow, this is the most powerful evangelistic tool I have ever seen.”
While we were there, Paul Eshleman said, “In six weeks we are going into Albania, and we are going to show the premiere of the film.” I went home and I told my wife all about this Jesus Film and all these folks who came to know the Lord, and I asked her, “Do you want to go to Albania in six weeks?” She said OK. So, we literally got our globe down and sat in the middle of our living room floor and were spinning this thing trying to find where in the world Albania was. I had never even heard of the place. Six weeks later we landed in Albania, and what happened there has completely changed my life forever.
Now, I was always very committed to the Lord and to seeing people come to know him, but what I saw there I had no idea existed anywhere in the world. For example, one particular day we were sharing the gospel with students at a high school. Following our presentation, I went down to the front of the school and was waiting for the rest of the team to show. There was a large crowd of people, and all of a sudden this young girl grabbed my arm, looked me right in the eye and said, “Sir, please, you have got to listen to me.” I asked, “What is it?” She said, “Please, sir, don’t waste time talking to people who don’t want to know the God. All of my friends want to know the God, and so many people here want to know the God. Please don’t waste time talking to people who don’t want to know the God.” I thought, God has just spoken to me through this girl.
We got home, and I said to my wife, “This is it.” For years I had been frustrated in business. I had felt that business was a ball and chain around me because I really wanted to make my life count for God, yet seemingly so many hours of my day were spent doing the deal that it seemed to have no real impact for eternity. I said, “This is our out.” We’ve got to get rid of the business, and we’ve got to get back to Albania, because everybody there wants to know God.” So I set out to sell my business. But when the deal came down to the bottom of the ninth inning, it just unraveled. I said, “Fine, Lord, if you don’t want us to get anything out of it, we will just liquidate the assets and we’ll go.” Two weeks before the business was to shut down, I woke up very early one morning, and the Lord was clearly prompting me, “No, I don’t want you to go to Albania, and I don’t want you to get rid of the business. I want you to stay right here.” I didn’t understand.
History’s Handful
A couple of months later I was at a large conference with Campus Crusade for Christ. Dr. Bill Bright and Dave Hannah were there challenging people to become a part of this thing they called History’s Handful. They described it this way: Over the course of history a handful of individuals have had a significant impact. If you think back about specific countries (Germany and South Africa) or periods (the Reformation and the civil rights movement), a handful of individuals come to mind who, good or bad, have had a significant impact on the course of history. Bill Bright said, “We have figured it out; we have broken the world up into chunks of 1,006,000 people each, and the cost of translating this film into all the languages of the world and buying all the equipment and doing the deal is $1.2 billion. We want 1,200 people who will step up to the plate and give $1 million each to impact eternity.”
My wife and I were listening to this, and we thought, “Are they asking for $1 million?” The problem was that we felt like God was telling us we were supposed to be one of those. So, that evening I went to Bill Bright and said, “Sir, how do we do this? We don’t have $1 million in our wildest dreams.” He said, point blank, “How much did you give last year?” Nobody had ever come out and just asked me this. I said, “We gave $17,000.” I felt pretty good because that was 35 percent of our income; grading on the curve, I thought we were doing pretty well. He said, “Good, but why don’t you start the first year with a goal of, say, $50,000?” I said, “Excuse me?” He said, “Start with a goal of $50,000.” I said, “Alright.”
We started selling tools; some weeks we made overhead, and some weeks we didn’t. We got all the way to the end of the year, and we were a long way from fulfilling that goal of $50,000. I got a call one day from a guy in Jupiter, Fla. You can’t be any further away from California than Jupiter, Fla. This guy was looking for this machine. Long story short, 15 minutes before the phone call, I was looking at an auction flyer, and one of these machines that the guy wanted was coming up at a sale the next day, two hours from where I live. I made the buy on behalf of the customer, met a guy there looking for a machine twice as big, put a deal together on that one, and between those deals, the money came in. I called the guy back in Jupiter, Fla., and said, “How did you find out about us?” He said, “A dealer in Chicago told me to call Scott Machinery if you want one of these pipe benders; they handle them all the time.” Well, he meant the Scott Machinery in Helena, Ala. I had never even seen one of these units, let alone sold one. We were then very convinced that God had just done something incredible.
Choosing to Give the Rest to the Lord
The story is not over. We get the money in, and it is the end of the year, and we are saying to ourselves, “If we give all this money, we have just given away all the profit for the year. If we do that, how are we ever going to build this business to a point where it ever could give $1 million?” I started wrestling with this by using logic, but logic gets you in trouble because it doesn’t always make God-sense. I realized that Satan was trying to keep me from fulfilling the goal, so I told my secretary, “Quick, write the check before I change my mind.” She did, and she sent it off. The next day we were closed for inventory. It’s the last day of the year, and about midway through the day we finished. We finished early, and I said, “Y’all are already here, do you want to just go ahead and work the rest of the afternoon?” “Yeah, okay.” So, we turned the “open” sign around, unlocked the door, started answering the phone, and we did $65,000 that day in business, $27,000 of which was profit. This was almost exactly the amount that we sent the day before to fulfill the commitment. “Wow,” we said, “God is huge.”
When Bill Bright had challenged us to start with a goal of $50,000, he said, “Watch what God does to your business. I bet you the next year, you will be doubling that.” Well, hey, we are on a cloud—God can do anything—so we are going for $100,000 this year. So, again, we worked all year long, and some weeks we made overhead and some weeks we didn’t. We got down to the end of the year, and there were no miracle deals. My secretary went in the office and camped out for a whole day, and she came back with all the payables and receivables. She said, “We’ve given $57,000, we are $43,000 shy, and that is almost exactly what we have in the account.” I said, “We can’t drain the account. We’ve got to have cash flow to run a business, right? That is economics 101. Let me go home to think about it and pray about it. I went home and told my wife the situation, and no sooner had I stopped with the last word than she said, “I am a signer on the account, and if you don’t write the check, I will.” So, that was God’s confirmation. The next day we went back and drained the account, and we sent the money in. I am here to tell you that each year subsequently, God has given more and more, and now we are in the habit of draining the account at the end of each year and sending the money.
I have a wife and four children, and we lived on $49,000 last year. Three weeks ago, we did our year-end giving, and my goal for last year was $175,000. My secretary called me in and said, “You want to know the numbers? We did it with $345 left to spare.” I just praised the Lord, and I called my wife and said, “We did it.” She said, “But I’ve got a house payment due next week. I’ve got these bills to pay.” I said, “Don’t worry about the bills, keep your eyes on the Lord; remember he parted the Red Sea already for us.” Sure enough, the following Monday He brought in some big deals and put money back in the account. So, we just keep trusting each step of the way. We basically have chosen a modest standard of living—we are not living poverty Christianity, but we are definitely living below what we could—and we are just choosing to give the rest to the Lord.
I am a missionary. I am using the skills and talents that God gave me to do business for the purpose of making money to fund the fulfillment of the Great Commission. My wife and I have experienced the power of God working through our lives, because we are hanging it out so far on the edge that if he doesn’t do it, we are going to crash. I am telling you, my faith has been strengthened; I am experiencing more joy and more fulfillment than I ever have before. It is the most liberating experience to truly have God running your business, because when the big deal falls apart—big deal! It is his deal when it comes through, praise the Lord, and then we get to go shopping.
We get a pile of money, and we go shopping—not down at the local mall; we go shopping around the world to see where we can use this money to impact the kingdom of God. We have had a wonderful blessing, and I praise the Lord for it. By the end of last year, we had reached $734,000, toward our goal of $1 million. Depending on what God does this year, we are either going to hit it by the end of this year or probably midway through the next year. That is where we are tracking, and we are just thrilled.
Or the great evangelist, John Wesley:
Illustration: John Wesley
Take John Wesley for example. He was one of the great evangelists of the 18th Century, born in 1703. In 1731 he began to limit his expenses so that he would have more money to give to the poor. In the first year his income was 30 pounds and he found he could live on 28 and so gave away two. In the second year his income doubled but he held his expenses even, and so he had 32 pounds to give away (a comfortable year’s income). In the third year his income jumped to 90 pounds and gave away 62 pounds. In his long life Wesley’s income advanced to as high as 1,400 pounds in a year. But he rarely let his expenses rise above 30 pounds. He said that he seldom had more than 100 pounds in his possession at a time.
This so baffled the English Tax Commissioners that they investigated him in 1776 insisting that for a man of his income he must have silver dishes that he was not paying excise tax on. He wrote them, “I have two silver spoons at London and two at Bristol. This is all the plate I have at present, and I shall not buy any more while so many round me want bread.”
When he died in 1791 at the age of 87 the only money mentioned in his will was the coins to be found in his pockets and dresser. Most of the 30,000 pounds he had earned in his life had been given away. He wrote,
“I cannot help leaving my books behind me whenever God calls me hence; but in every other respect, my own hands will be my executors.”
In other words, I will put a control on my spending myself, and I will go beyond the tithe for the sake of Christ and his kingdom. (Quotes from Mission Frontiers, Sept./Oct., 1994, No. 9-10, pp. 23-24)
If you really want to love God, don’t you think it is quite literally time to put your money where your mouth is? If you don’t have a lot of money now, be like the woman in the Bible who gave what she could. Or like John Rockefeller who said, “I never would have been able to tithe the first million dollars I ever made if I had not tithed my first salary, which was $1.50 per week.”
As the Bible says, where you spend your money, there your heart will be also.

your quote: “In the Old Testament, the tithe was an offering of the first and best of one’s income”
The tithe was not the first and best of one’s income. The first fruit offering was the first and the best. tithes were counted out 1 out of every ten. they were not the best and they were not the first. God says, “the tenth one was holy to the Lord” not the first one or best of the tithe. http://churchtithesandofferings.com
Jared,
I appreciate your comment and the fact you even made it down to the end of this post; it turned out a lot longer than I intended.
I checked out the website you mentioned, and I agree with a lot of it and like the distinctions is makes about being a cheerful giver. I definitely think that one shouldn’t give 10% (or more or less) out of compulsion but out of love.
However, a tithe, by definition according to dictionary.com, is “the tenth part of agricultural produce or personal income set apart as an offering to God or for works of mercy.” In other words, you are right, the first fruit of their offerings were given to the Lord and the blameless animals in their flock were sacrificed to God… so be definition, that was a tithe.
My point actually dealt with whether one should tithe on a gross or net basis. In the Old Testament, they did give their best and first fruits to the Lord, as an offering, as a tithe, so rather than give out first fruits to the government, I believe we should tithe on a gross basis.
So I really don’t disagree with you. I think it basically comes down to semantics. God bless.
‘Tithing’ was NEVER a requirement for Christians. We are to be generous.
None of the ‘tithing’ that occurs now has any connection to the definition of tithing contained in the Bible. (other than to mention 10%)
In a nutshell, the were four tithes. 1)The Levitical tithe required those who raised crops (not everyone and not all professions – just those who raised crops) to give 10% of that to the Levites. This tithe only occurred 6 years out of the 7 year cycle. It also required those that raised 10 or more animals to give each tenth animal that passed under the rod to the Levites. If a person raised less than 10 animals, they were NOT required to tithe. 2) From what was given to them, the Levites in turn had to give the very best to the priests. 3) The festival tithe required that those who raised crops or animals to set aside 10% for the annual festivals. It was for the people to have a party and consume the food joyfully and alcoholic beverages (strong drink) if they wanted. 4) The Poor tithe occurred only in the 3rd and 6th years of the seven year cycle. This was given TO the poor.
All tithes were always food and NEVER money.
I go into more detail at http://www.inyourbible.com where, if you have a high speed internet connection, you can view or download my series of 10 – 30 minute lessons titled “The Truth About Tithing”.
George, first, I want to apologize I haven’t responded sooner. Your comment for some reason was flagged as spam and it was only by luck that I even discovered it to unflag it.
I will be sure to check out your website. However, in response to your comments, let me say a few things. Like I told Jared previously, in addition to the “tithes” in the Old Testament, there were sacrifices which was giving the best of what God had blessed you with to the Lord. Isn’t a tithe doing the same with your money? In the Old Testament, they didn’t have an advanced monetary system like we do today and the Israelites, by nature, were farmers and herdsman (it’s the reason Egypt looked down on them). Food was their money as they traded it for other items in a bartering system.
And while the word “tithe” is not used in Acts when describing the new Church, people gave literally everything they had, sold their possessions, and gave the money to the Church.
Blessings,
Hi,
i have a few questions. feel free to ignore me
“For a little perspective on money in general, in the New Testament, there are 215 verses pertaining to faith, 218 verses pertaining to salvation, and 2,084 verses dealing with the stewardship of and accountability for money and finance. Sixteen of Jesus’ thirty-eight parables deal with money. (“Wealth Riches and Money” And tithing specifically is the second most talked about concept in the Bible after love.”
I believe that you may have this mixed up. I don’t doubt that giving/money is talked about secondmost after love (although I haven’t checked myself), but i disagree with your conclusion that a message on giving is a message on tithing. it isn’t. There are only 3 instances in the new testament that actually mention tithing:
1,2: probably the same instance. Jesus is talking to another Jew about the lesser & greater things of the law. See Matthew 23:23 and again Luke 11:42
3: Paul examines the priesthood of Jesus Hebrews 7:5
I’m willing to be wrong. maybe theres another instance somewhere in the NT, but my concordance doesn’t show it.
my point is that, actually, tithing is almost NEVER mentioned in the NT, its never explained, and is not foundational to any arguments. Yet this is at complete odds with disproportional amount of verses that deal in some way with money.
strange.
If you were to write/discuss/teach about money to someone (like you are doing in this blog), and tithing was *foundational* to you theology on giving, wouldn’t you mention it as such? Of course you would, and you have. Yet Jesus and Paul never did this…
Lets go back and look at the verse you quoted of Jesus:
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.”
This actually resents us with some challenges, so first let me backtrack a little. Tithing is a technical term. it means 10% – literally. But 10%, in and of itself, is amoral. it makes no sense to say that 10% is ‘good’ or ‘bad’. For tithing to have ‘goodness’ or ‘badness’ it needs to be decreed by God. The only place he makes a commandment on tithing is in the Mosiac Law. Now tithing as stipulates in the Mosiac Law is very very specific. It can only be done on specific things, at specific times, in a specific land, and given to specific people, for specific reasons.
It is more than clear that tithing as we teach today is NOT in any way the tithing of the Mosiac Law. But lets not get sidetracked.
With this in mind lets return to the verse where Jesus is talking with the pharasees “…but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.”
What tithing was Jesus referring to? Was he referring to a technical 10%? No. He was talking with Pharasees, about the Mosiac Law. The tithing he refers here is the Mosiac Law.
Lets think about this for a minute. When we read that verse our mind is playing a trick on us. We hear the word ‘tithe’ and think ‘10% of our income’. But we know without a doubt that when Jesus said ‘tithe’ the Pharasee heard ‘give 10% of my crop harvest to a Levite’.
The significance in this is larger than we first realise. It doesnt *directly* apply to us. To make this verse apply to us, today, we need a concept of tithing that is significantly different from that found in the mosiac law. Then we need to sumstitute that meaning for the one Jesus had. This verse, then, is not a direct command for Christians to tithe. It cant be. For that to happen we need to substitute a different meaning of tithe than the one Jesus spoke of.
But where does this other, modern, idea of tithe come from? Obviously its not found in the Mosiac Law. And obviously Jesus never mentioned any other tithe. In fact he never ever mentioned that tithing had ‘changed’. Nowhere at ALL in the new testament is tithing ever redefined.
Let me restate that. Its important. Nowhere AT ALL in the new testament is tithing EVER redefined.
Lets apply this to Malachi. When Malachi speaks of tithing, what definition of tithing is he referring?
1. a technical 10% of everything. NO
2. an eternal principle of tithing. NO
3. tithing under the mosiac law. YES
Malachi is set during the time the temple was being rebuilt and exiled Jews were returning to their land. He was trying to whip them back into shape. ‘Lets get the priests going again. Lets rebuild the temple and the wall. Lets resume tithing so that levites can be supported, and that priests may be able to mediate for us once more’. Thats the context.
How can this possible apply to a modern Christian today? It cant – at least not directly. Our definition of tithing is way different. First we would need to show that there existed some eternal principle of tithing, and then we would need to show how we can apply that to Malachi as a secondary meaning. No different from when Jesus spoke of it.
Where have I been going will all this ranting? Why am I going into all this? Because tithing is NOT for the modern Christian, but giving is, and as ideas they are worlds apart.
“Sure, the New Testament doesn’t give a percent like the Old Testament. But if you think about the New Testament, it doesn’t do away with the Old Testament laws, rather, it generally adds on them.”
This is where our ideas get really muddy, full on contradictions. There is no percent, but the law is still here. The law is still here, but its not like the ‘Law’ in any way. The curse and blessing of Malachi apply to all people, even though it refers to something nobody does any more.
and so on.
I’m not going to argue that Christians shouldn’t give. We should. But there is no law of tithing. How can their be? If everything we have is God’s, then how can 10% more ‘more’ God’s then the other 90%?
Tithing is restrictive and powerless. Giving under grace is freeing and powerful. All my time, my life and my money is God’s. If I believe that, how can I also believe, at the same time, that 10% of my time, my talents, etc are Gods? And if we say tithing has no percentage any more, or that the percentage is bigger, then we are really saying that there is no such thing as tithing.
Any definition of tithing is restrictive. Shall we say someone in poverty who can only give 5% is cursed? or somehow not blessed as mush as, say, a rich person who can afford to give 10% from their disposable income? If not than what does tithing REALLY ACTUALLY mean?????
Friend it is so much more simple – all you have is Gods and you need to be led by Him to use all your talents wisely. There is no magic percentage for a Christian. Once in poverty may give but a mite, as led. One of great riches may give 90%. Neither is greater nor ‘more’ blessed. Both obeyed as led.
Ok i need to switch rant mode off. *click”. OK its off.
Sorry to waste all your comment space.
God Bless!
oh and one last thing – i’m not trying to be a pest. if my post offends just ignore me or delete it! Theres not malice in it but Heaven knows I’m not the best at expressing my thoughts clearly
Wow! Your comment was longer than many of my posts, so I thank you for taking the time to write it. I am in no way offended, and I’m glad that you clearly have a passion for this as well. I agree with most of what you said.
You are absolutely right that “tithing” is not really used in the New Testament; in it’s place, Jesus constantly talked about “giving.” You see the two as completely separate things; I see “giving” as simply the evolution of “tithing.” Under the Mosaic law, the Levites were commanded to “tithe.” Just as the priests and people were commanded to sacrifice. People obeyed the law largely under the obligation of following the rules.
When Jesus came, he turned that mentality on its side when he said things like, “If you love me, you will obey my commandments” in John 14:15 or things like “my yoke is light.” In other words, we weren’t supposed to not kill, commit adultery, steal, tithe, etc, because we were supposed to but because, due to our love for Christ, we wanted to. Thus, “Do not murder” became “Do not hate,” “Do not commit adultery” became “Do not lust,” and “tithe” became “give.” Giving in the NT is a radical departure from the mindset in the Old Testament. That’s clearly seen in the parable told by Jesus were the Pharisee essentially tithed to be recognized while the poor woman gave virtually everything she had to give.
However, the reason I didn’t really go into that in the post is that a lot of people see “tithing” and “giving” as essentially semantics, and people have told me I contradict myself, especially when I talk to people outside of the Church, and say things like, “Don’t tithe to the Church, give to God.” Many people see the two interchangeable. And if you see tithing as evolving in the same way that Jesus fulfilled and evolved the Mosaic law, they essentially are.
You are right; there is no magic to “10%.” It was simply a rule in the Old Testament. As I said in the post, “We don’t live under the law, praise God, but under Grace, we probably ought to give more, not because we have to, but because we want to.” And I think you would agree it is a world of a difference. In both the stories I closed with, they went far beyond 10%, not under duty or obligation, but under love.
My problem with many peoples’ takes on tithing, however, is that they fall into the trap, which Paul constantly attacked and warned the Church against, of essentially living the way you want to live and falling back on God’s Grace to make it okay. People say, “God is big. He doesn’t need my money.” That is 100% true. However, they stop there. Just like Jesus’ teaching on evangelism, God doesn’t need us to bring salvation to the people and expand His kingdom. But just because he doesn’t need us, doesn’t mean He doesn’t want to use us. And I am a firm proponent that giving is just about changing us into the mindset of relying on God to secure our future and provide, rather than Fidelity, our jobs, pensions, etc.
For me, I use 10% as a guide because I generally see it as the bare minimum because I recognize that the reason I’m getting a paycheck in the first place is all God. But if we need the money, I’m not going to feel guilty if I give less. And at the same time, I want to give more than 10%. But I don’t want us to fall into the trap of pride like the Pharisees and essentially say with my life, “Look how righteous I am and how much I give.”
I hope that may clear up my stance on it a little as well, and like I said at the start of my comment, I loved what you had to say and your enthusiasm with which you said it. I hope to have you grace my blog in the future. God bless!
your considered reply was more gracious than my rant.
‘I see “giving” as simply the evolution of “tithing.”’
I guess your right. I do see it as a replacement over an evolution. I wonder how that changes things. I’ll think about it.
“And if you see tithing as evolving in the same way that Jesus fulfilled and evolved the Mosaic law, they essentially are.” Yeah this has merit. I guess for me the questions in my head run like this: does ‘tithing’ over ‘giving’ have negative side-effects as a theology? I believe it does, depending on how you view it, or how it was taught to you.
You touch on the idea that the doctrine of giving can be used as a haven for the lazy and selfish in all of us. This is true. It’s probably one of the biggest criticisms of the doctrine. However I cant help but wonder why. Do we spend too much time debunking ‘tithing’ without building a proper replacement? Ive been guilty of this. But this is hard, because, again, when you see bad side effects you want nothing more than to remove them…
“However, the reason I didn’t really go into that in the post is that a lot of people see “tithing” and “giving” as essentially semantics, and people have told me I contradict myself, especially when I talk to people outside of the Church”
Ill finish with this thought: People often say ‘the church just wants your money’. But if the focus was more on meeting needs wherever we can – being Christ’s hands and feet – I doubt that an outsider who said ‘the church just wants you to help people’ would look anything but silly. The way I was taught tithing was not semantically interchangeable with giving. It was abused. You can only tithe to the church. If you want to ‘give’ it has to be above your tithe. I think many are in this position.
Thanks again for being so patient with me
God bless
“I do see it as a replacement over an evolution. I wonder how that changes things. I’ll think about it.”
I think that sometimes when we see something as a flat out replacement, we tend to basically ignore the former and totally reply on that latter. However, when we see it as an evolution, we seem to pay more attention to the context of the origination of the Law, the reason for it, the reason for the change, etc. For instance, while Jesus brought the “New Covenant” we tend to still often use the 10 Commandments as a model for a basic code of living which is essentially the purpose of the Law in the first place. For example, Jesus stated he did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. If we just think of giving as abolishing tithing, I anyway, seem to have the predisposition to thinking there was something innately wrong with tithing. But like Paul said about the Law, there was nothing wrong with it. It was our schoolmaster. It just wasn’t the complete revelation of God which I think giving is to tithing.
“I guess for me the questions in my head run like this: does ‘tithing’ over ‘giving’ have negative side-effects as a theology? I believe it does, depending on how you view it, or how it was taught to you.”
That definitely has a lot of merit to you. Many churches don’t talk about tithing to the Church because people don’t like the Church telling it where to put their money. But the Church will talk on giving in general (essentially hoping more people will give to the Church) as people are more open minded to hearing about giving rather than tithing. Tithing does have some negative connotation as more of an obligation that a desire like giving. But I’m not sure that connotation is Biblically based; I think as a people we have essentially just given tithing a negative label when the Bible really does no such thing.
Like I said, the doctrine of giving can be used as an excuse, just like the doctrine of Grace. Obviously, we are called to preach Grace, however, but just be careful not to fall in the trap. That’s why I think some of the most effective illustrations of the Gospel I have heard blend the Law with Grace. That way, we appreciate fully the Law and our inability to live up to it, which makes us more likely to love and not take for granted Grace. I think that teaching the Old Testament teaching of tithing and sacrifices to the Lord, with Jesus’ evolution of giving, is probably the best method of presenting this sensitive subject.
“Ill finish with this thought: People often say ‘the church just wants your money’. But if the focus was more on meeting needs wherever we can…”
Agreed. Totally. As James said in James 1:26, “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” It doesn’t help that people outside the Church largely have the perception of these extravagant mega churches they see on TV with televangelists, several of whom live lavish, and sometimes sinful, lives. But if the outside saw the Church as predominantly a funnel for the members’ money to go to those who needed it, there would definitely not be the same negative stereotype. After all, people get looked down on for giving to the Church by some non-believers. No one looks down on someone that gives to the tsunami victims, Red Cross, or starving children in Africa.
God bless!
Hi, Brothers and Sisters
It may not surprise you, but it surprises most christians, as well as “Preachers” that there is not one single verse in the Bble that tells anyone to give 10% (tithe) of their money. NOT ONE.
Tithing began with ABRAHAM more than 400 years BEFORE the 10 commandments arrived on the scene. So what is applicable to ABRAHAM is applicable to us. (Abraham was NOT a Jew or an Israelite)
There is a purpose for the TITHE that transends the whole history of the kingdom.
Tithing was NOT created under Moses. It is more clearly defined as to what it is for, but it was already in full swing 400 years before the children of Israel left Egypt and the subsequent giving of the law.
Our Father, God, said “The TITHE is the Lords”. That’s simple enough. Father claims 10%. Ten percent of what? Look it up, every verse describing what Father said he wanted 10% of mentions only MEAT, WHEAT, CORN, WINE, OIL, BARLEY, HONEY, and the FRUIT OF THE TREES.
It’s NOT rocket science to figure out all those items are FOOD!
The argument that the children of Israel “traded” in food-stuffs doesn’t hold water, scripturally. When Father clarified what the Tithe was all about, it was AFTER the children of Israel had just come out of Egypt. True they had been slaves for a couple hundred years but when they left Egypt, they went out with a high hand and “spoiled” the Egyptians. Not that they went about stealing from them, because they didn’t, but the Egyptians showered them with wealth and riches and drove them out of Egypt. They left Egypt so-o-o-o-o-o WEALTHY, that later on, when they went to build the Tabernacle, they had to tell the people to “QUIT” bringing their gold, silver, jewels, etc. They were NOT a poor people, they were wealthy beyond their wildest dreams when they left Egypt. But what good was all that WEALTH in the wilderness? NONE! There were no 7-11s, Krogers, Wal-Marts or any other place to buy food for 600,000 footmen plus their families out in the wilderness.
HERE’S THE BIGGEST SURPRISE: When Father told Moses to tell the children about tithing, He said it was to BEGIN, for them, the 3rd year AFTER they entered the Promised Land! That means they did NOT start tithing for almost 41 years AFTER they left Egypt.
Understanding that Father’s 10% was about FOOD only is important.
Understanding that the FREE-WILL offering was about MONETARY things only, and out of the FREE-WILL offerings, he built the TABERNACLE, further clarifies a FOUNDATIONAL truth that has been lost over the years and that is . . .
The TITHE and the FREE-WILL OFFERING were TWO (2) separate things. You could NOT eat the money of the Free-will offering and you could NOT build a Tabernacle out of Meat, Wheat, corn, Wine, Oil, Barley, Honey, and the Firstfuits of the trees!
Jesus said, “. . . the “scriptures” cannot be broken” Once Father has it penned to paper, the “written word” (scriptures)
stands UNLESS Father nullifies it Himself by informing us in writing that He did so. The INSTRUCTIONS on how the Tithe and Free-will offerings are to be used have NEVER been changed in writing anywhere in the Bible. Tithing is NOT one of the 10 commandments.
I’m going to take a break and address this in shorter spurts.
Why on earth would Father say He wanted His 10% to be FOOD only? It’s obvious He doesn’t need FOOD for God is a Spirit.
The TITHE is of the FIRST-lings, FIRST-ripe, FIRST-fruits, FIRST-born, all summed up as the FIRST-things.
The FIRST-THINGS, belong unto the FIRST-BORN.
Establishing WHO is the FIRST-BORN is critical to understanding what TITHING is all about.
The word “Birth-right” and “First-things” is the same word in the Hebrew language, which is the language the Old Testament is written in.
The “Birth-right”, also known as the “Blessing” went to the “First-born” male in every family. Being the “First-born” was a special thing and God required that the “First-born” be consecrated (sacrifced) unto him or be REDEEMED by the blood of a lamb “without blemish”.
Abraham’s FIRSTBORN son was Isaac. Isaac’s FIRSTBORN son was Esau. Esau DESPISED his BIRTHRIGHT (first-things) and sold them to his twin brother Jacob for a bowl of soup. Hense the FIRSTBORN became Jacob (whose name was changed to ISRAEL). Therefore, Jacob’s (Israel’s) life was blessed and loved of God and Esau was hated, because the BIRTHRIGHT was precious to Jacob and it was as nothing to Esau.
God confirmed that the legitimate transfer of the Birth-right had taken place when he sent Moses with a message to Pharaoh.
When Moses went to Pharaoh, he was commanded of God to say this . . . “ISRAEL is my FIRSTBORN SON . . .
following on, the first-born of Israel was Reuben, the first child born of his mother Leah. But Reuben DESPISED HIS BIRTHRIGHT and it was taken from him and given to the sons of Joseph who was the FIRST-BORN of his mother Rachael, (the wife Jacob loved).
1 Chronicles 5:1-17
1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father’s bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright. 2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph’s:)
So the BIRTHRIGHT goes to whoever does not despise it but the actual geneology continues down the “Blood line” of Jacobs children by his first wife Leah.
The Birth-right had been transferred to Joseph’s children because Joseph had died in Egypt.
When God had Moses declare ISRAEL IS MY FIRST-BORN SON, it showed that there was not a living son of Israel that he recognized as FIRST-BORN. Reubine was dead, and so was Joseph so all there is left is the “Blessing” which continued on in the line of Joseph.
When God slew all the FIRST-BORN males of the Egyptians, He “sanctified” , (which means “set apart”) all the first born males of Israel for himself. That meant ALL the first born mails were now the inheritors of the Birth-right.
The whole of Israel left Egypt fully “Blessed” having received the “BIRTH-RIGHT” (blessing) lavished on them by the Egyptians as they left for the wilderness.
Laden with wealth and no reason to spend a dime of it for the next 40 years (as their shoes nor their clothing wore out till they came to the promised land, and God fed them with manna every day for 40 years until they came unto the borders of the promised land.)
After being mightly saved at the Red Sea, they come to Mt. Sinai. There God makes a verbal covenant with the children of Israel that he’ll make them a “KINGDOM OF PRIEST” if they’ll obey his voice. Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord saying they’d do whatever he commanded. That sealed the covenant. God says good, I want all the people to come up to the mount, 3 days from now when I blow the trumpet. God comes down in a absolutely terrifying display of power and blows the trumpet, the people don’t move, he blows louder and longer, the people don’t move. Instead they say to Moses, you go in our stead. We don’t want to speak directly to Him or hear him speak to us directly, but through you only. That’s the beginning of the breaking of the covenant. Moses goes up into the mount for 40 days, comes back down and finds the people have forsaken God, built a golden calf and declared it to be the God that saved them out of Egypt. Moses says, whoever is on the Lord’s side come stand with me.
ONLY the children of LEVI (Moses and Aarons relatives) come and stand with him. ONLY THE CHILDREN OF LEVI DID NOT DESPISE THEIR PRIESTHOOD COVENANT WITH GOD by standing forth and then going in among the rest of their tribes (they are all relatives) and slaying those who had debauched themselves. THEREFORE, God now chose ONLY the tribe of LEVI to be the KINGDOM OF PRIEST in stead of the whole nation of Israel being the Kingdom of Priest. God also stripped the “Birth-right, the blessing, the TITHE, His 10% (all the same thing) from the rest of the children of Israel and gave it to the LEVITES. The geneology and the “birth-right” now belong to the LEVITES for several centuries until they DESPISED THEIR BIRTH-RIGHT and PRIESTHOOD by CRUCIFYING JESUS, the only person in the whole of history to keep the “LAW” perfectly from birth to death. That ended their “Priesthood”, allowing God to make Jesus the High Priest of a better covenant, based on better promises. That we are now a “Royal Priesthood”, KINGS and PRIESTS unto our God and Jesus is the KING of KINGS (that’s us believers) and we are a “PRIESTHOOD” of believers, and Jesus is our HIGH PRIEST. and Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from the dead, and each of us as believers are FIRSTBORN from the dead also as each person must chose to accept eternal life in Jesus and no one is “Born” a christian just becaus their mother and/or father is a christian. Each of us who puts their faith in Jesus and what he did for us in his death, burial, and resurrection, is “adopted” by the our Heavenly Father and made a “Joint Heir” with Jesus thus making us the KINGDOM OF THE FIRSTBORN, and unto the FIRSTBORN belong the FIRST-THINGS, which is still Father’s 10%. For though he has given us 100% of all we have, as long as we are in the flesh, he knows we won’t take care of each other. So he has set apart the TITHE for his KINGDOM OF PRIEST (which is all believers in Jesus) to make sure there is enough FOOD on hand to feed his children EVERY WEEK, and the TITHE is to be distributed to the body of believers for FOOD and NOT A DIME of it is to be used to build buildings.
Each believer is now a “LIVING STONE” and our gathering together in groups from 2 or 3 to thousands, he says “there am I in the midst” We are a LIVING TEMPLE; made up of LIVE people called LIVING STONES, and the Free-will Offering is for the BUILDING UP OF THE TEMPLE. Not temples of earth, wood and stone.
“I do see it as a replacement over an evolution. I wonder how that changes things. I’ll think about it.”
I have thought about it.
For me it is simple: Since tithing is not foundational to a proper theology of giving I don’t even consider it (except in a historical sense). Trying to include it as a part or foundation of giving for today only leads to confusion. If tithing is not required of a Christian (and it isn’t) then talking about it only directs attention away from whatever it is we should be focusing on.
“I think as a people we have essentially just given tithing a negative label when the Bible really does no such thing.”
This negative label arose from incorrect teaching on tithing in the first place. And since we are not to tithe as Christians its been arguably one giant diversion to the truth.
So I neither view it as a replacement NOR an evolution. Gods requirements haven’t changed, only the way in which they are fulfilled. Tithing was only ever a part of the picture and today its no longer a part. So lets not make it one.
Hi Brothers and Sisters,
I’ve been reading all the conversations, and adding to what I’ve heard over all the years I’ve been teaching on the subject and listening to both sides, I’ve come to one conclusion. The only ones who don’t believe in giving God 10% are those who stand in the face of God and call him a “liar” and still expect God to bless them. He simply and clearly says, “Bring only 10% into the store house and I’ll pour you out a blessing so large you can’t contain it.”
He says,”I am not a man that I should “lie”. . . “I am the Lord and I do not change” . . . “neither will I alter the thing (word) that has gone out of my mouth.”. . .”I watch over my word to perform it.”
He gave his “word”, on HIS 10%, in which He did not lie, will not alter, and will perform, because He doesn’t change . . . (except for those who do NOT want to give him HIS 10%).
And if you want NEW TESTAMENT proof it is STILL the same today, it comes straight out of the mouth of JESUS, where he says “. . .the SCRIPTURE CANNOT be broken.” Scripture means WRITTEN WORD and He is talking about whatever God has written down; UNLESS he clearly writes it down to the contrary, it stands forever, AS IS.
Giving God HIS 10% is NOT part of the 10 commandments. It was started under Abraham 400 years earlier.
You know, when I wrote this blog, I had no idea just how controversial this subject is. There have been good points made on both sides, but I must beg the question, “Why?”
There are denominational issues that we could be arguing. Is homosexuality a sin? What is the role of women in the Church? Does baptism have to be by immersion and what exactly is it’s purpose? Does predestination happen? Is “once saved, always saved” true? And yet, there are many who seem passionate about arguing against, of all things, tithing.
I don’t deny that there has been a lot of incorrect teaching about tithing. And I won’t say that one MUST tithe 10%.
But the question I ask is, with everything we could be debating, why are we debating this? Whether you call it a tithe or a give offering, the action is the same: we give what we have to the Lord. But with as much intra-Church bickering that goes on about the subject, I have to wonder, what is our motivation?
Are we really arguing against tithing because we believe the teaching is incorrect? Or, as I think may be the case for a lot of people, because if we can belittle the teaching of a 10% tithe, it means that we don’t have to give God a fixed amount and end up just giving what is left over when we are done.
I will say this: if one is NOT WILLING to give to the Lord BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, there is something wrong with their heart. Just like James said Faith without deeds is dead, love without our gifts (our time, our money, and our actions) to the Lord is not love. And if the fruits of our actions, or lack their of, judge us by our insincerity or infrequency of our gifts to the Lord, then, brothers and sisters, we need to be worried.
True, there are a lot of topics we could and should be discussing, but the LACK OF UNDERSTANDING of what the scriptures say concerning the giving, receiving, and DISBURSEMENT of both the Lords 10% or “Tithe” which is the translation of the Hebrew word meaning “a tenth” (which is ONLY FOOD) and the Free-will offering (which is monetary)
has led to the “impotence” of the believers in Jesus Christ, in America, to maintain control of our government.
Our constitution is founded on “Biblical” principals and the strength of America was it’s allegiance to the God and Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ. How did we lose control?
It’s interesting that Jesus started with 12 deciples from Jerusalem in a TOTALLY GODLESS AND HEATHEN WORLD and within 300 years, Christianity was proclaimed as the world religion, having never built a “church building” in the first 300 years!
Here we start our own country in a VOID of opposition. A fertile empty ground, spiritually; founded on scriptural principles and within the span of only 200 years, it is against the law to speak the name of Jesus to our children in school. WHAT’S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??????
HOW DID WE LOSE OUR COUNTRY TO A TOTAL “GLOB” OF GODLESS MEN???? Any of you LEADERS out there have a clue???
Only ONE THING drives POLITICS . . .MONEY!
Because our CHURCH LEADERS pound the pulpit telling congregations to GIVE and can give you chapter and verse why you should give, YET THEY CANNOT OR WILL NOT ever take it upon themselves to see what the scriptures say they, themselves, are supposed to do with the money once it is given!
I’ve asked this question of EVERY preacher of EVERY church I’ve attended. “Have you ever HEARD a message preached on how the money is to be DISBURSED once it is received?” ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of them have said NO! Then I ask them if THEY have EVER preached a message on the Biblical DISBURSEMENT of the tithe and free-will offerings. AGAIN, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT have said NO!!!!
The problem is not with the GIVERS it’s with the RECEIVERS because they are UNJUST STEWARDS of the money received. STEWARD, TREASURER, AND DISBURSE are all the SAME WORD in the Greek.
So let me ask you LEADERS one question, and PLEASE have the courage to answer with quotations “on the subject” from the Bible. Here’s the question:
What verse or verses of scripture from MATTHEW to REVELATION give you permission to build BUILDINGS using the TITHE or the FREE-WILL offerings?
If you cannot find any scriptures giving you permission to do so, then you are following the TRADITIONS OF MAN and Jesus said, “You shall not teach the TRADITIONS OF MAN for the commandments of God.”
Until we, as a body of believers, UNDERSTAND what Tithes and Free-will offering are all about, from a scriptural standpoint. We will continue to lose ALL OF OUR RIGHTS in the country, where we have been given, in our CONSTITUTION the RIGHT to freedom of religion!! We can EASILY reclaim America if we simply follow Father’s word regarding the DISBURSEMENT of HIS 10% (the Tithe) and the Free-will offerings.
Standing on Father’s word (the Bible) on this topic will get you “kicked out” of church EVERY TIME. I know, because I have been asked to leave EVERY CHURCH I’ve attended over the last 20 years for daring to share what the Bible says on DISBURSEMENT of Gods money, once it is given.
I’m not complaining, I count it a blessing, knowing I was asked to leave because of what the Bible says. I hold no grudge against those who asked me to leave. I’m not their judge. My responsibility is to share what the Word says and to follow it personally. If they want to plug their ears and throw me out, it’s okay. It’s not me they’re plugging their ears at, it’s Father’s word they don’t want to hear. They would rather follow their TRADITIONS than God.
I just wrote a reply that was BLOCKED by a page from WORDPRESS which said, it appears I had made this statement before. Is this CENSORSHIP?
I have saved what I said to another file and can upload it at any time if anyone is interested. These are NOT points that I had mentioned before, so there is NO REASON why they should be blocked. Is there????
MY APPOLOGIES!!!!, PLEASE disregard my last to post. My comment did finally post!!!
Remember, if you have long posts, the automatic wordpress sensors scan it to make sure it isn’t spam.
Wow, I definitely never thought this article would become political. I actually wrote a blog on some of the arguments that America was and wasn’t founded as a Christian country. It definitely was founded with Christian principles, but I’m not convinced that was as intertwined into the original government as some would say. Remember, many of the founding fathers escaped to the New World to escape religious persecution at the hands of the government. They never wanted people in America to face the same religious oppression because of ones’ beliefs. Besides, many of the founding fathers were freemasons, which often had very different ideas about money than most people associate with Christianity.
While money certainly drives much of politics, I would argue that the need for power could also be claimed as the cause of many of the country’s problems. And that can be traced to pride.
I’m not trying to belittle your arguments. You have a lot of valid points. I agree that stewardship of money, also taught by Jesus, is a sore point for a lot of people as Churches often have no idea of fiscal responsibility. It doesn’t help the most visible “christians” are the televangelists that have their own private jets, lavish mansions, etc. When we see our money misused in the name of Christ’s kingdom, it is no wonder that we are often reluctant to part ways with it to the Church. Stewardship should definitely be taught, though many Churches would be reluctant to do so as that would bring unwanted attention on all the money the Church spent. I had a friend that went to a church that had around 100 members and met in a large barn of one of the members with pews set up that paid out around 90% of the money donated straight to missions. From what I hear, it was a pretty vibrant Church.
However, I think your argument that essentially a misunderstanding of money is the cause of America’s problems and politics is a VAST overstatement. After all, the Israelites constantly had many of the same issues we have today when the teaching on tithing and giving was not that old (as you stated the teaching predated Mosaic law) and probably less misunderstood. The reason our country has so many issues is the same reason that much of Europe, location to much of the early Church and beacons of Christianity, is largely spiritual dead and the homeplace of the Bible, the Middle East, is the homeplace of a false religion (multiple ones actually) and endless violence. Sin. Money is one way sin is demonstrated, but there are a LOT more.
God bless.
I was reading another blog titled “Tithing is unscriptural under the New Testament covenant”
It made some good points but still totally missed the “reason” for tithing or giving.
Disecting that basic thread, it kind of looks like this. Giving God 10% is now “unscriptural”. You may give up to 9.99% but that’s really puhing the envelope and you’re awful close to being unscriptural. To be safe, maybe we better back away from the edge and only give 7 or 8 percent, just to be safe. Then again, maybe we can pick it up on the other side of 10% and give 10.2%, but not 10.1% because that “technically” would be 10% for the person who gave 9.99%, and that would be “unscriptural”.
There was an extremely wealthy man who picked a homeless man off the streets who was holding a sign that said, “Will work for food”
The wealthy man said to him, You said you’ll work for food, but I’m going to do better than that for you.
I’m going to make you an EXECUTIVE in one of my businesses. Though I own a lot of different businesses, they are all started and run the same way.
Here’s how it works.
1. I pay for EVERYTHING. Every item, no matter what it is, whether it’s made of liquids, solids, or gases. I pay 100% of it, right up front. I’ll send you the top people in their fields to be your “employees” and you will be the C.F.O. (Cheif Financial Officer) and I will pay ALL your employees salaries and YOUR salary forever.
BUT NEVER FORGET, I AM THE C.E.O., I am the Cheif Executive Officer. This is MY company. I own this company.
2. Because you’re NEW and inexperienced, (as I just picked you up from the side of the road), the following will apply.
You will recieve, in addition to your salary, 100% of ALL the profits of the company at the end of the 1st year AND at the end of the 2nd year. You are the CFO.
3. At the END of the 3rd year, the first 10% of the PROFITS belong to ME. I am the CEO. The remaining 90% of the PROFITS will still belong to YOU. Because YOU are MY Cheif Financial Officer (CFO), at this company, and responsible for paying all of MY bills; here is what I am instructing you to do with MY 10% of the profits.
A. You are to take a count of ALL the employees in this business of which I have made you CFO.
Then you are to find out how many of them are “heads” of a household.
Then find out from each “head of houshold” how many people, living under their roof, they are “financially” responsible for, who age 20 and under.
Total up the numbers each head of household says are under their care.
For each person in the company that is NOT the head of a household, add the number 1 for each of them.
Add up the total count of these two groups.
4. Now take MY 10% of the profits and set that amount IN CASH
on the table in front of you.
5. Next, take 10% of the total amount of MY SHARE of the profits, and set them aside in a special fund called “Orphans, Widows, and Strangers” This is MY PERSONAL FUND.
6. Now take the remaining 90% of MY SHARE of the profits and divide it by the total number of employees (and those they are responsible for as explained above). That will give you the EQUAL PORTION of money EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON is to receive.
7. Now DISBURSE the money to EACH head of household according to the number of people under his roof. (e.g. if he has 7 then give him 7 portions, if he have 3, give him 3 portions, etc.)
Then DISBURSE one (1) portion to each person who is NOT head of an household.
The BALANCE of should be ZERO when everyone has received their portion.
This is how I want MY 10% PORTION of the profits to be DISBURSED. THIS METHOD OF DISBUSING MY PORTION IS NOT TO BE CHANGED OR VIOLATED. THIS IS A PERPETUAL COMPANY STATUTE. THE 10% IS MINE! I AM THE C.E.O., I OWN THE COMPANY.
After you have DISBURSED my portion at the END of the 3rd year. This rule of DISBURSEMENT will be performed WEEKLY, beginnig with the 1st week of the 4th year and thereafter. IT IS A PERPETUAL COMPANY STATUTE.
The wealthy man asked the homeless man if he liked the offer and the company rules.
The homeless man said YES, I gladly accept the position.
Wonderful, said the wealthy man, IT IS DONE.
One other PROMISE I will make to you. IF YOU ARE OF A WILLING HEART, because what I am about to tell you is NOT MANDATORY, but if you are of a WILLING HEART, and it gives you JOY to bring ME a “Free-Will” donation out of YOUR 90% of the profits. I promise you I will MULTIPLY that which you have given 30, 60, or 100 fold!
I only want your donation IF you can give it CHEERFULLY out of your ABUNDANCE. If you do NOT feel cheerful about it, PLEASE don’t give it. I don’t need it, I am a Wealthy man. I am simply giving you an opportunity to trust me to bless you and increase you more and more.
One very important way in which you can assure that I will alway abundantly take care of you is for YOU to have mercy on the POOR. I will count that as a LOAN from you to me, and that which you have GIVEN (not loaned) to the poor, I will repay you.
YOU MAY GIVE THIS FREE-WILL DONATION ANYTIME from this day forward, and I will honor my word concerning it.
Is that clear?, the wealthy man asked. Yes, it’s very clear, said the CFO.
The CFO was awestruck at his good fortune to have had this wealthy CEO take him in and treat him so royally. He resolved to do the best job he could possibly do and to make the wealthy CEO never regret he had picked him up and put him in this valued position as CFO.
As the end of the FIRST year approached, the CFO was excited about the success and profits the company had made. He was indeed a wealthy man after rightfully pocketing 100% of the profits, as he had been told he could.
As the end of the SECOND year approached, the CFO was even more excited about the success and profits the company had made. He was indeed a considerably wealthy man after rightfully pocketing 100% of the profits, as he had been told he could.
Then came the end of the THIRD YEAR and the time for the CEO to start receiving his 10%. He was happy to set it aside for him but as the CFO reviewed the instructions the CEO had set forth for the DISBURSEMENT of his 10%, he began to look around at the employees and make his own personal judgements as to who would get portions of the money and who would not.
He was a friendly CFO and had learned a lot about his employees over the last 3 years, and found that only a few were having a really difficult time meeting their finances (he thought). Therefore, instead of making the head count, as instructed, he simply gave portions to those he knew were in POOR circumstance, and gave small “bonus” checks and a Christmas turkey to the rest of the employees.
With the money that was left over out of the CEO’s 10% portion; the CFO bought new equipment for the business, sent a couple of large donations to some other CFOs he knew, and put the rest in a BUILDING FUND to put an additon on the front offices the next year.
The 4th year he did the same thing.
The 5th year, he took the CEOs 10% portion and set aside only $500 to give to the POOR, and the rest of the CEO’s portion he gave to his friends and built the new additon on the front offices, and furnished the offices lavishly. He was EXCITED how the company LOOKED, and couldn’t wait for the CEO, to visit.
How excited the CEO would be with him for increasing the size of the business and hiring on new front office personell and especially the 5 new junior executives he had been faithfully training to run the company just like he did. And the CEO would be WOWED by the fact he had others already trained for him to use in his NEW business venture.
Then the CEO arrived. He said, to the CFO, give me an accounting. So the CFO excitedly shared with the CEO all the things he had accomplished since he had been left in charge and how he had trained 5 junior exectutives that were ready for his use.
After the CEO heard everything, he said, this company is no longer mine. I give it to you. Do what you will with it, but my name, wealth, and influence will no longer be associated with this company. I will go through the company before I leave today and call those employees who have been faithful to follow me and have been crucial in the development of my company. You and your 5 junior executives, who are just like you may have the empty shell.
And the CEO left. . . .and the company faltered from that day forward and ultimately had to close it’s doors.
Not long afterward the former CFO was seen standing on a corner with a sign that read “Will Work for Food”.
unclewormwood,
One reason it is a sore spot is that many churches use the ‘law’ of tithing to expect/demand the tithe from the congregation. They may even pair it with ‘law’ of seed-harvest – sow money reap money. You seem to view it more liberally, as something that roughly equates to ‘giving’ (I hope I’m not putting words into your mouth).
There are more definitions of tithing then there are flavours of ice-cream. Since any minister can make it to mean whatever they want it becomes a tool. I believe this confusion is bad. One message will emphasize the act of free will offering. Give as a loving response. Another will highlight the curse of Malachi – lets not steal from God. Now imagine 2 people in the congregation – one exceedingly rich the other poor. The rich man will no doubt be pleased with his ability to meet the requirement and avoid any possible ‘curse’. I was. He may event expect a ‘harvest’ on what he ’sowed’ depending on what church he went to. I did. Yet the money came from his great abundance and was really no effort at all. Now think about the poor person. Since he has no disposable income 10% will eat into his living expenses. He worries about being cursed and wishes he could give more. He may even give in the hope that God will get him out of the poverty trap. Its hard to have pure motives when your financially desperate.
Here is the question:
Can we clearly put the poor man’s mind at ease? Can we explain it to him simply? How about that rich guy – they one barely giving anything but meeting all his ‘requirements’. What should we say to him – well done?
We need clear doctrine to lead people in truth. Tithing is anything but clear. Gross or net? The common answer is ‘how do you want to be blessed?’. What a mocking reply, as if God is a slot machine or investment banker. So again, can we really, actually, clearly, define what tithing is? And if that definition is different to virtually every single reference in the Bible (which it will be since all the reference will be to the Mosaic Law bar 2) isn’t that really really confusing?
Suppose I say tithe but I mean give. Who knows what my listener actually hears! It all depends on what they were taught. How about we forget the ambiguity and drop the word. Use it to show how things used to be done, but when talking about Christians say give than re-define and qualify/explain the word tithe.
Definitions are the root of many long winded arguments and worthless side-tracks. So here is the challenge – clearly and unambiguously define a modern ‘tithe’ as something different from ‘give’. If they are the same then ask if all the confusion was worth it. I can tell you that it is not clear for the friend of ours who was saved 2 weeks ago. Just what do I tell her when she reads about tithing in Malachi after hearing it preached in a church?
Motives – hmmm. Not mine, not yours, and not your pastors motives are what we would call ‘pure’. When looking for truth I try to forget motives since they are an easy diversion and always crop up in lively discussions.
Finally,
God bless you for being so open to all the varying opinions on this post! That is an amazing trait.
Modern Simulation
If I may, I’d like to respond to the question you pose where you said . . . “I can tell you that it is not clear for the friend of ours who was saved 2 weeks ago. Just what do I tell her when she reads about tithing in Malachi after hearing it preached in a church?”
If I may use an example to help visualize something here. We live in a 3-dimensional world. Things we see or touch have dimension of length, width, and height. Because of that fact, it is impossible to see all the attributes of the object by looking at only one side. We must either move from our starting point and walk around the object to see every side of it or we can stand in one place and have the object slowly spun around so we can see all aspects of it and be able to clearly understand what it is we’re looking at. Arguments occur only between those folks who refuse to move from their positions and views from the “opposite” sides of the “same” object. Both are “right” in what they see from their standpoint, but both are “wrong” to be denying the validity of the other person’s view because of their own refusal to come around the other side and look.
I share that to so you might see the “impossibility” of explaining or totally understanding the subject of tithing from the “single” side view expressed in Malachi. Everything stated in Malachi is true but it’s only one side of it, therefore it seems, understandably, harsh.
Please put your friend at ease with these truths from God’s word on “Tithing”.
When God instructed Moses to tell the people about the tithe, He said they were to BEGIN TITHING the 3rd year AFTER they entered the promised land.
If coming out of Egypt is a “Type” or “Picture” of salvation in that we are “saved” out of the world and are entered into the “Promise Land”. Then a new born babe in Christ should understand there is no burden on them to give God 10% until the end of their 3rd year in Christ. Until then, giving is blessed on the basis of the “Free-will” offering which has “no minimum” or “maximum” amount.
I hope this view from the “other side” of the topic is helpful. There are indeed a couple more sides I could share to further clarify. But just as in an early 1st grade math class we must learn the basic numbers, first, then addition, then subtraction, then multiplication, then fractions, then master problems using combinations of these basic math principles before moving on to algebra and it’s equations, then geometric shapes, trigonomics and calculus.
Malichi is, in my view, about the level of “Algebra” if I were to use a math scale for comparison. It’s way over the head of new believers and though they don’t understand that, the preachers ought to, and clarify that this passage is not talking to “new” believers but to the “Priest”.